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Revolutionary Girl Utena: After the Revolution

November 20th, 2020

Tenjou Utena was a girl who wanted to become a prince. She actually did rescue a princess…and became the power to revolutionize the world. But at what cost?

20 years have gone by and the members of the student council are still trapped in their own drama. The girl who gained the power to change everything had left them behind to find their own way out. Being mere humans, not princes, they had failed to do take the steps they needed to be free. If this sounds like a fanfic, well, it pretty much is. Like so many fanfic it begins with Touga, Saionji, Juri and Miki still caught up in the same dysfunctional relationships that bound them at Ohtori. 

In Revolutionary Girl Utena: After the Revolution, co-creator of Revolutionary Girl Utena Chiho Saito, revisits the Student Council members. Touga and Saionji are finally allowed to cast off the lingering ghost of  the Chairman of Ohtori, and find the camaraderie with each other that had been twisted into a toxic rivalry. Juri discovers in herself a more honest reason to keep fighting and is able to let go of of regret and failure. Miki is finally able to have an honest discussion with Kozue about their relationship.

Viz Media’s reproduction of this 20th anniversary manga is so excellent, I’m almost sorry that they didn’t give it a hardcover edition to match the box set of the original manga. Adrienne Beck’s translation kept the voices we already knew so well. Sara Linsley went out of her way to do an award-worthy lettering job. She’s detailed how she hand-drew the sound effects to match the Japanese volume on Twitter. Designer Alice Lewis did a terrific job and I know that Nancy Thistlethwaite as editor gave it the most loving treatment possible. It looks terrific. Great job folks.

Like so many fanfic, this manga is excellent, right up to the point where it fails to do the last thing it needed to do. Because, as she says in the afterword, Saito-sensei was unwilling to allow Utena to grow up…indeed, she youthens her for this story, Utena and Anthy’s reunion is not of this world, but very much in a world that only the two of them occupy. I had read the chapters as they came out in Flowers hoping desperately that we’d get to see Utena and Anthy together in the “real” world. It’s wholly understandable why this was the path chosen…it’s just not the one I wanted. ^_^ OTOH, Juri is still with Shiori and Utena and Anthy do find each other again, so that’s something. Depending on what your fandom of Utena is rooted in, your mileage will vary. For me, this was a beautiful, but ever-so-slightly unsatisfying story.

Ratings:

Art – 9 I have repeatedly mentioned that Saitou-sensei’s art is amazing.
Story – 8 One point off for not giving Utena and Anthy the time and page count lavished on the student council
Characters – 8
Yuri – 5
Service – 3 Naked Anthy is still a thing.

Overall – 9

I guess I’ll just have to stick with my own Utena fanfic for now, since Saito-sensei and I don’t share a vision. If it were up to me Kozue and Shiori* would not have been given so much real estate. ^_^

* I don’t dislike Shiori….I just don’t like Juri and Shiori together. Juri deserves someone better.





Shoujo Kakumei Utena After The Revolution Manga (少女革命ウテナ After The Revolution)

July 25th, 2018

When Tenjou Utena disappeared from Ohtori Academy, life for the students moved on.

Or, did it?

In Shoujo Kakumei Utena After The Revolution  (少女革命ウテナ After The Revolution) twenty years have passed. Touga and Saionji have become competitive art dealers. But a simple card telling them that “those who seek the power to revolutionalize the world, should return to Ohtori” inspires them to come back and discover that what they had forgotten on the dueling ground.

Juri has spent 20 years as a competitive fencer so she will be a worthy prince to the princess she’s chosen to protect, her Shiori. A competition is crashed by Ruka, who promptly attempts to steal Shiori from her. He must be defeated on the dueling ground in order for Juri to find herself.

Miki has become a concert pianist, but he is facing a crushing artistic block since Kozue fell into a coma, after her husband beat her. Miki and Kozue find themselves on the dueling ground facing each other and attempt to rebuild their relationship from scratch.

In each case Utena appears as both a child harbinger of crisis and as Dios falling from the castle, signalling resolution. But it’s not until Kozue and Miki create a staircase of music, that Utena can ascend to find Anthy – still crucified – and free her at last so they can be together.

The end of the manga sees them all freed, (again,) but in doing so, it gave each of them a completely new history, a backstory that differed from either of the previous manga versions or the two animated versions. To make this manga make sense, we have to ignore the title – this is not really “after the revolution at all.” Sure, they’ve aged, but they haven’t grown. It takes one last duel to push them forward.

Ratings: 

Art – 9 I *have* mentioned that Saitou-sensei’s art is amazing.
Story – 8 One point off for not giving Utena and Anthy the time and page count lavished on the student council
Characters – 8
Yuri – 5 
Service – 3 Naked Anthy still a thing.

Overall – 9

These are not the choices I would have made for a 20th anniversary story, but I respect that these were the choices made by the original team. I just wish we had been able to see both Utena and Anthy 20 years later, as well.





20th anniversary Revolutionary Girl Utena Manga: Beautiful Thorns (少女革命ウテナ20年記念日新作)

March 18th, 2018

Image Restored/Edited by abbysayswords for The Empty Movement, 2018.

In my review of the first chapter of the 20th anniversary Revolutionary Girl Utena manga, we discussed Touga and Saionji and how they regained some memory of Anthy and Utena after 20 years had passed.

Today, before I begin discussing the 2nd chapter of the 20th anniversary Revolutionary Girl Utena manga by Saitou Chiho and Be-Papas,  which ran in the March 2018 issue of Flowers magazine, I ask you to take a moment to think back on high school. For most of my readers, that will be long enough ago for memories to have begun to fade. Think back 20 years ago. Who were you then? What did you want? I remember little of high school and even less of myself in my early 30s. It’s a long time ago.

Arisugawa Jyuri (we have an official transliteration of her name at last) also remembers little of the past. On the eve of a photo shoot, she dreams of drowning.

Jyuri is an accomplished famous fencer. In her mid-30s, there’s no reason to assume her skill is any less now than it had been. In the final match for the World Title, her opponent appears….it’s a man, who wears a rose ring! They fight, but the electrical system shorts out due to a lightning strike and the match will have to be postponed. She wonders who that man was and Miki, who had attended the match to cheer Jyuri on, comments, confused, “What are you talking about? Your opponents were all women.”

As we might have expected, beautiful, long-limbed and graceful, Jyuri is also a professional model. And, as we watch, our eyebrows crawling ever higher, she does a photoshoot…is that fucking Ohtori?! Yes, it is Ohtori, and she stands in the greenhouse, or sprawls across the chairs with signs that literally point to the waiting room, while our skin crawls. 

Jyuri is also with Shiori. I have a lot of conflicted feelings about this. I hate series that act like the only possible pairing is among the characters in the story. But bear with me here, because it’ll get even more conflicted. Shiori is Jyuri’s agent and manager. She rejects a costume that shows too much cleavage. “We have to protect Jyuri’s image as a dashing fencer.” Which leads Jyuri to talk about something on her mind – she’s thinking of leaving fencing. Shiori says, well I have to tell you something, too. And standing there is the man who Jyuri fought in the fencing match! Wearing a Rose Seal ring. And, as the Jyuri watches, he poaches her manager. Shiori leaves Jyuri, on the arms of Ruka. Jyuri breaks down crying that she needs Shiori.

We see Jyuri in those days before she took up the uniform of the Student Council. Just another female Ohtori student, as she sees a little Shiori, looking like a princess. A princess, she reasons, needs a prince. So, when Shiori arrives at Ohtori and comments she finds the fencers admirable, Jyuri took up fencing and managed to obtain Shiori’s admiration. She would be this princess’s prince. One day, Ruka find Jyuri on her hands and knees, desperately searching for her locket in a field where she thought she dropped it.  Ruka and Jyuri fight. She is unable to defeat him in this informal bout, but he gives her the locket she has been missing….he knows. He knows what she is.

Ruka and Jyuri face off again. This time he brings them to the dueling ground where Shiori is the Rose Bride. Pushed to her limits, Jyuri has a vision of a young woman, (we recognize Utena,) who floats down from the castle and gives her the “Power to Revolutionize the World.” 

Jyuri sees Shiori sitting by the river, slipping in, and jumps in to save her. She is drowning….she is being left to drown…she is being drowned. We know this scene. We recognize that bench. We can hear the music. We know it and we know that it never happened to Jyuri. 

Young Jyuri wakes in a hospital, where Shiori tells her Ruka died saving her. Jyuri wanders down a hallway and finds herself in a chapel, where child Utena sleeps in a coffin full of roses. The child calls her a goddess of battle and Jyuri remembers that Ruka had called her his “Goddess of Battle, Lily.” The child begins to walk away, Jyuri asks, “where are you going?” The girls replies, “I want to see that girl again.”

Back in the present, Juri finishes the fencing match and fingers the locket, still around her neck. Her opponent removes their mask and it is indeed not Ruka whom she fought, but a woman, (who looks rather put out.)

In the locker room after receiving the championship cup, Jyuri tells Shiori that she’s done. Shiori begins to cry – are you really not going to fence anymore? “No,” Jyuri says, I’m not going to fight for you anymore. I’ve been fighting to be your prince, to protect you.” She accepts that she really just loves fighting and will do it now for herself. 

Shiori seems to understand. She tells Jyuri that she had had a dream of Ruka walking away from her, with a smile telling her that Jyuri has found the thing she was looking for.

Jyuri opens up the locket and we see that it still contains that old picture of Shiori. Carved by hand into the metal of the inside cover it says “Fight Jyuri!” in English. 

The last page shows Ruka and Jyuri walking away from one another. The page says 「戦え樹璃」with furigana that reads “Fight Jyuri”.

Phew. 

So many feels. But what actually happened?

Jyuri experienced three things in this chapter that never actually happened to her. We know that. She did not fight Ruka in the championship bout, she did not see Shiori drown, and…Shiori did not leave her for Ruka. Not 20 years ago. Not now.

It calls into question everything we know about her. What if Shiori never did any of the things we thought she did? The Black Rose arc was clearly feeding off of participants’ dark fantasies. What if Shiori wasn’t ever a master manipulator and was – and always has been – Jyuri’s closest friend who wants what was best for her? We may never truly know. 

As I have been saying repeatedly, Saitou-sensei’s art has really grown in 20 years. The aesthetic here is even more gorgeous than we remember it. And I’d be okay with an artbook of Jyuri playing dressup. ^_^

Ratings:

Art – 9 Gorgeous
Story – 9 I’m re-reading every word trying to pull out more meaning. Sometimes doing that is ridiculous, but here, it’s always worth the effort.
Characters – 9
Yuri – 4 I don’t know if Shiori and Jyuri are a couple, but they are certainly a partnership
Service – 5 – Jyuri playing dressup as a swordswoman and a lesbian. ^_^

Overall – 9

I am 100% in favor of Jyuri finding herself at the end of this chapter. I am 100% in favor of Utena looking for Anthy. 

The next chapter will have to be Miki. 

Tune back in two months from now when the next chapter is released in the May issue of Flowers magazine!

 

 





Torikaebaya Manga, Volume 12 (とりかえ・ばや)

December 24th, 2017

It’s all coming to a climax in Torikaebaya, Volume 12  (とりかえ・ばや).

The penny dropped in Volume 11, as the emperor got an inkling of an idea that the person he knows as his consort Suiren is quite likely the young lord he cultivated as Sarasoujuu.

In Volume 12, Umetsubo Naishogami boldly asks the Emperor to remember that the young Sarasoujuu was injured by an arrow and to look at Suiren for that scar, which he finds. He now knows for sure that his Suiren is really Sarasojuu (and thus that Sarasojuu is really Suiren.) But, now he has it the right way ’round. It’s obvious that his lover is a woman and as she was clearly Sarasoujuu, Sarasoujuu was a woman all along.

Evil priest Ginkaku attempts to assasinate the Emperor with a snake hidden in a plant, but Sarasoujuu as Suiren is quick to suck out the poison and save him. So he’s got to be convinced that whatever the story, she is not his enemy.

But Ginkaku is not done interfering. In a last attempt to destroy the Emperor, he brainwashes poor little new heir Yuzuru-shinou. Undoubtedly to do nefarious deeds to the Emperor.

Next volume is the end of this series and I can see a couple of options here, both with and without Sara and Suiren dead. If Sara gets to be with the Emperor and Suiren with Ichinomiya-hime they’d all be happy, but they won’t be themselves. So mostly happily-ever-after. I guess.

Ratings:

Art – 10
Story – 9
Characters – 9 No matter what her gender presentation, Sarasoujuu is a hero
Service – 2

Overall – 10

One day when I grow up and my Japanese is much better than it currently is, I’m going to read this whole thing over again. ^_^





Retrospective of a Revolution – 20 Years of Shoujo Kakumei Utena

October 22nd, 2017

The manga for Shoujo Kakumei Utena premiered in June 1996 in Ciao magazine, Shogakukan’s popular magazine for girl’s manga. The anime followed on in 1997. Both were collaborative efforts with contributions from established manga artist Saitou Chiho and anime director Ikuhara Kunihiko, who was just off of a wildly popular season of Sailor Moon. These two, along with Hasegawa Shinya (animation supervisor for Neon Genesis Evangelion), writer Yōji Enokido, and producer Okuro Yuuichiro, collaborated as a team known as Be-Papas. Both anime and manga were produced simultaneously, but each treated the subject matter differently.

Now seems like a good time to look back at 20 years of Revolutionary Girl Utena.

Tenjou Utena is an idealist. She is a young woman who, like most young women, is looking for her prince. Who that prince is, and how she meets him again, is portrayed variably in every version of the story, but this basic idea is the plot that underlies all versions.

The base plot appeared on the surface to be a relatively straight-forward magical girl formula. A girl who desires to become a prince comes to a elite private school where she duels for the hand of the “Rose Bride.” The series included a magical transformation every week, and a duel for the hand of princess. It even included a comedic animal sidekick.  It was clearly a magical girl anime. However.

Utena wasn’t herself magical, like Moon Princess Tsukino Usagi (Sailor Moon) or a magic user like Yumeno Sally (Mahoutsukai Sally). She wasn’t given a magical item that suddenly gave her access to magical powers like Nonohara Himeko (Hime-chan no Ribon) or Hanasaki Momoko (Wedding Peach.) Utena is given (or finds, depending on the iteration) an item, and it does allow her access to a world in which magic exists, but she herself has no way to use the magic of her own volition. Instead, the magic would enter her when it needed to, to achieve an end only vaguely defined as “the power to revolutionize the world.”

When the series was running on Japanese TV and we were talking about it obsessively on the original Anilesbocon Mailing List (which was rendered defunct by Yahoo in 2001) the series was often spoken of as a subversion of a magical girl series. And certainly, one could see it as such. It takes the stock characters of any anime and manga set in a school, layers on a “purpose” that isn’t saving humanity, or making people happy, or even stealing back people’s precious belongings. That purpose is flatly stated to be a “revolution” – although what that meant to the world is never explained.

As we watched the series, there were some qualities that supported the subversion of a magical girl series perspective. In early magical girls anime and manga, the protagonists have simple female gender-role-assigned goals; becoming  a princess and marrying a prince primary among them. “Helping people” became “saving the earth” from dastardly baddies in later series. But who was Utena helping in her duels? Who was being saved?  This was not your typical magical girl series.

 

The Elements of a Revolution  

The writing in Revolutionary Girl Utena is not unique as such. Many anime use ancient or modern archetypes to populate a story. Anime is especially full of characters who are”types” rather than fully developed. However, the characters that populate Ohtori are not just “glasses guy” or “passive-aggressive girl,” they are, rather the kids you went to school with. (Admittedly, blown well out of proportion.) Kiryuu Touga, the elite athlete who didn’t care about the girls who fawned over him, Saionji Kyouichi the bully with the inferiority complex, Arisugawa Juri the cool girl that everyone loved, but no one could get close to, and Kaoru Miki, the lonely genius.  And you. You were the iconoclast. Of course you were. We all were. Doing our own thing, regardless of who liked and didn’t like us.

These are not literary archetypes. They are our archetypes.

And they are tied together by our quest in a kind of fractured fairtyale. We recognize the quest; it is the quest that lies under our own endeavors as young people – to be a hero…to do something noteworthy.  Utena is all the things we were and weren’t all at once. She is athletic and geeky and naive and cool and comfortable in her body in ways that we never were. She has the right to enter the duels and she gets to have the magic and the girl, something we probably couldn’t really imagine for ourselves. Not then…maybe not now.  But Utena could. She is Sir Gareth, taking on the noble and elite knights, putting up with their taunts and their derision until one day it was they who were challenging her. And losing. And in doing so, it freed them from their own prisons.  

The themes of Utena are the same themes of any fairytale. A prince comes to free the princess from her bondage. The prince engages in duels to posses to princess.  But, we’re supposed to understand that the rules of fairytales are not entirely applicable. That Utena, a girl, wants to be a “Prince,” i.e., that she wants the agency herself and not be rescued but to be the rescuer is presented as a flipping of the standard. On the cusp of the 21st century, female viewers asked “What’s so amazing about that?” Women had already spent a century fighting for agency. It didn’t seem particularly revolutionary itself.  

Revolutionary Girl Utena is all about prisons. Coffins, and relationships and schools that we wrap around ourselves to keep us from having to deal with the real world. Literal floating coffins populate the movie manga. Utena herself is found by Touga as a child laying in coffin in a church…and of course, Ohtori itself is presented in the shape of a keyhole Kofun tomb.

And the fairytale comes with a Greek chorus. The Shadow Girls provide commentary, gossip, insight and Macguffins in the form of news “extras.” Relevant, irrelevant, digression, derailment and diversion, they all ended up being meaningful…even the bits that made no sense.

The animation, like the writing, is full of references and homages to classic anime. Shades of Ryoko Ikeda’s Rose of Versailles and Oniisama E fill every space of the visual text and subtext when Arisugawa Juri (who looks like Miya-sama, but loves like Saint-Juste) and Utena duel for the Rose Bride. 

Symbols with no meaning, or fungible meaning, populate Ohtori. Invisible baseball games and trains punctuate Student Council meetings and animals take on a darker aspect when they show up merely to harass a single character. Symbols are frequently ambiguous, until they are the most straightforward of allegories: Utena as a car is literally the vehicle that Anthy uses to escape Ohtori.

The animation is unusual, the character designs classical, the symbolism is surreal. And all of it is thrown together over a soundtrack that is it’s own character.

The music in Utena was once described to me as being “like a magical cookbook on acid.” There’s a lot of truth in this. Terahara Takaaki, working under his professional name as J.A. Seazer, set the duels to staccato-beat-backed rhythms, punctuated by lyrics that list metaphysical terms in an almost alchemical formula. The music can’t be ignored, and, indeed, is one of the defining characteristics of the anime. “Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku” is used in the television anime as the background to the weekly transformation scene and is the background for the even more extraordinary transformation of the movie, where “Rinbu Revolution,” which was the opening theme of the television series becomes the final race to freedom in the movie in what is an extraordinarily epic scene.

And then there was the sexuality of the characters. The online fandom was both stimulated and inspired by anime characters who appeared to be homo- or bisexual…or, in the case of Akio in the anime particularly, probably pansexual. The manga was more strictly heterosexual, but it still crossed lines of propriety. Not nearly as much as the anime in which we are forced to recognize Akio’s predilection for sexual abuse, incest, rape and generally using sex as a weapon against what we must understand to be underage characters. And how uncomfortable we all felt about that…even as people wrote fanfic of it. Sensuality and sexuality are presented as part and parcel of the characters’ interactions with one another in almost all the versions of the story. 

 

The Story of a Revolution Seen Through Five Lenses

Tenjou Utena almost died as a young girl in an accident that killed her parents. A prince saved her. He kissed away her tears and gave her a ring. Keep your nobility, he told her, and it will bring us together. She decides that she, too, will become a Prince. At Ohtori Academy, this desire to be a Prince drives her to save a girl from being hurt by a boy and Utena ends up dueling the boy for the Rose Bride.

The television anime series used a palette of bright colors over an almost drab world. The Student Council uniforms were military-informed, but color-coded to the character. As if we were being told that each member of the council was wholly unique and their position was not reproducible, it would disappear with them. The story does nothing to dissuade the viewer of that belief. The Council each carry a deep psychic wound of some kind. As adults it’s not hard to understand that it is the wound that is the specific quality that makes the character attractive to Akio. The nature of the wound and the way that wound allows him to manipulate the character is the driving force of both the television anime and the manga. Utena is presented as different from everyone else in the school, and different from the Student Council members, but is not incorruptible.

Tenjou Utena has been receiving postcards from “her Prince” every year on her birthday. Although she lives with her aunt, she is always looking for that apparently imaginary prince. When she realizes that the postcards form a photo of a location, she transfers to Ohtori Academy in order to find her prince. She finds that the ring she wears leads her into dueling for the Rose Bride. 

The television manga was as much about symbols of life and death as the anime, but the symbols lingered, heavier in their presence. Duels leading to coffins is not nearly as surreal as an invisible baseball game punctuating a fraught conversation, it’s more straightforward. The manga is more heterosexual, with less overt sexuality than the anime. But the coming-of-age fairytale remains centered around Utena, giving up looking for her prince, but never giving up on her own princeliness…and Anthy, the princess unable to even ask for rescue. It’s a simpler tale, for less mature audience than the anime, but the end moment has the same weight in both television anime and manga – the end of one epic and the beginning of another.

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Utena has come to Ohtori Academy to look for her Prince, Touga. She sees him, but is unable to get close to him. She is drawn into duels with the Student Council and learns the secret of the Rose Bride. Together, she and the Rose Bride attempt to escape Ohtori. 

The Adolescence of Utena movie came at the end of the 1990’s, as anime was hitting a new peak of popularity in the United States.

The film was released in English with some fanfare – the director, Ikuhara himself,  came to speak about it to fans and press, sponsored by Central Park Media, the company that had licensed it. The film was even shown at several Gay and Lesbian Film Festivals in the beginning of the 21st century. The movie took the basic elements of the plot, reshuffled them, and gave it a more – to western eyes, at least – overtly lesbian ending. The scale of the movie was…large. Vistas of the movie Ohtori needed the 70 millimeter film screenings to be properly seen. The school itself had been broken apart, with shifting pieces in real time; buildings and chalkboards, and the dueling ground – all stained with blood-red shadows – move around the characters, never still. The dueling ground itself is impossibly perched high above the school. The floating castle looms even larger and more menacingly than it ever has; not as a goal, as it was in the television anime, but as an enormous obstacle capable of crushing dreams flat.

The music was remixed and re-used in ways that didn’t contradict the original, so much as make it even more of a palpable presence in the story. “Rinbu Revolution” remained a song of defiance, but whose? In the television anime, one would assume it belonged to Utena, where in the movie, there’s no doubt at all that it is Anthy’s theme.

Utena comes to Ohtori to find her lost Prince and ends up dueling the Student Council in duels that center around the Rose Bride. But Ohtori is not what it seems. It is a tomb…and always has been. Utena and Anthy find their way out together.

The movie manga reshuffled the characters again, playing up the sexuality and the life and death refrain once more, but it ends with a scene borrowed from early 20th century Japanese girl’s literature, Yoshiya Nobuko’s Yaneura, no Nishojo, when Anthy offers her hand to Utena and say, “let’s go outside.” 

In both the television anime and manga, the end comes with Utena’s disappearance and Anthy leaving Ohtori to go find her. She doesn’t explain to her brother in the anime, because Anthy can see that Akio is trapped in his own game. In the television manga, Touga is the person to whom she explains.

“I…I have to go.”
“Go where?”
“To look for Lady Utena. When she and I meet once again…that is when this will begin.
The world…awaits the Power of Dios…
And that power begins with us…!”

20 years later, Touga has mostly forgotten this story. In the 20th anniversary manga, published in 2017, he and Saionji meet up and are invited to return to Ohtori. In the chairman’s rooms, their memories of Utena and Anthy are rekindled. But where – if anywhere – it will lead, we don’t yet know. The 20th anniversary manga is so far a single chapter, with a second chapter to come. Whether Touga, Saionji, Juri or Miki, or we, will ever see Utena and Anthy again is still unknown.

Utena’s princeliness, persistence and “nobility” weren’t the revolution. They were the catalysts that created the revolution. In anime, manga, television and movie, it becomes apparent that Utena is the power to grant the revolution.

Whether to look for Utena, to literally drive car-Utena or to walk hand in hand together, it becomes clear that the revolution itself is, in every version, the moment Anthy walks away from Ohtori. Only Utena had the ability to grant Anthy that power; the ability to leave the coffin of adolescence and enter the outside world.

Along with being a subversion of magical girl series in general it is easy to see Revolutionary Girl Utena as a subversion of every school drama every in anime and manga – and of adolescence itself.

 

Revolutionary Girl Utena Manga Deluxe Set is available from Viz Media.

Revolutionary Girl Utena Anime and Adolescence of Utena Movie are available from Nozomi/Rightstuff.